Back last month, I made the Washington ComPost with one of my posts. It created a firestorm of comments on that one post. I did a post a couple of days later rebutting all of the comments made by then. It seems Bonnie has come back for more. At least I think it's the same Bonnie, she doesn't leave a real address for me to talk to her.
Bonnie Writes: (My previous writing is preceded by the ">>")
>>The main reason to invade Iraq was not for oil, not for WMD, not even for stopping the thousands of executions a year by the Ba'athists. It was to get rid of terrorists.
B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T. I believe that you believe that, but I also believe that's the lie BushCo has told the true believers like you because they need you to think they're doing something good to cover up the fact they're doing something horrific. No terrorists were in Iraq before we invaded it. Why didn't we invade Saudi Arabia, where almost all the 9/11 hiackers came from?
What I mean by getting rid of terrorists is to create conditions that preclude the formation of terrorists, not to draw them out and kill them. Although if the first way doesn't work, we are foced to resort to the second.
>>And there is two ways we are doing that. First, we are killing terrorists wholesale.
I find your bloodlust disgusting. We are killing human beings wholesale. That is why so many of us are against this war. We've killed 100,000 human beings in Iraq. We make such a BFD about 9/11, but 9/11 was peanuts compared to the human life we've wasted in Iraq and Afghanistan. And most of the people we're fighting are not terrorists, they're Iraqis fighting against a foreign occupier. Yes, a lot of them are also monsters who kill their own people with car bombs. But they never would be fighting us if we didn't go there and kill 100,000 of them and sell off their entire economy and leave them jobless with no electricity and clean water. If China invaded us and you grabbed a gun and fought back, would that make you a terrorist?
You think 9/11 was a BFD, but they started it, and we are going to finish it, because nobody of any sense of decency wants anybody to go through that again. I'm sorry we have to kill anybody, but there are times it must be done. I do not have a bloodlust, but I will protect myself, proactively if need be. We are killing terrorists. The terrorists are killing the people of Iraq with their car bombs. So every time a terrorist kills a civilian, you blame it on Bush? The terrorists are purposefully trying to destabilize the Iraqi democratic process, which the Iraqi people want.
The reason why there is no electricity is because the infrastructure is in tatters. Tatters from years of no maintenance, when Saddam was building palaces instead of taking care of his people. The same thing with the water. The infrastructure has not been maintained, and that's on top of the terrorist attacks that are disrupting the flow of water to the civilians.
If I was a Canadian who slipped into the US to kill American civilians, then yes I would be a terrorist. You seem to have this picture of a terrorist as a noble, self-sacrificing Iraqi who is against the US. Most (if not all) of the terrorists are coming in from places like Iran and Syria. They are intent on making Iraq an Islamic Theocracy rather than a secular democracy.
>>And as long as they focus on Iraq, they can't mount operations in America. Where would you rather have the next suicide bomber? Baghdad or Boston?>We are building a stable democracy in Iraq,
We are? Looks to me like we've created one of the worst hells on earth. How did they do it in Germany and Japan after WW2? I have no idea, but whatever they did right then, they're certainly doing it all wrong now.
You truly do not know your history. A group of SS, known as the Werewolves, performed terrorist attacks against German civilians and US forces as late as 1952. That's 7 years if you don't have enough fingers to count that high. And now Germany is at least a nominal friend. It took years for Japan to become the stable democracy and friend it is today. What, you think we did it in 6 weeks?
And if "they" are so powerful with their sneaking terror attacks, why has there not been another attack in America? The attacks in Spain and Britain, while tragic and shocking, do not have the same impact (pun intended) as 9/11. I am convinced that we will have another attack on US soil, and this time it will be nuclear, but I hope we can do everything possible to prevent it.
>>in the middle of tribal sheikdoms and Islamic theocracys. If we can complete this task, the other nations around Iraq will ask, "Why can't we have that?"
That's a lovely dream, but how realistic is that? It seems like a longshot to me considering most arab muslims hate the United States and all it stands for. Why not flip that around... say Al Q'aida invades mexico and takes it over and tries to turn it into a Muslim theocracy in the hopes that the U.S. and Canada will say, "Why can't we have that?" and become Muslim theocracies too. Seems about as likely to happen. A pipe dream seems like a pretty flimsy reason to murder 100,000 human beings and destroy millions of lives.
Okay, I'll give you a choice. You can live as an independent female, able to vote and hold a job, or you can climb into a burka and walk three steps behind your husband or brother, unable to read, hold a job or vote. Sure, why can't we have that?
>>That, being freedom and a healthy, stable economy.
Have you seen the executive orders by Paul Bremer in the early days of the occupation, selling off their entire economy to foreign corporations and allowing them to then take all their profits out of Iraq? Why didn't we hire Iraqis to rebuild their own country instead of paying westerners $10,000 a week to do it? Because all the war profiteers wouldn't make as much money. Do you see the word Halliburton and think "good"??
I must at least partially concede this point because I don't know the reasoning behind the actions, but I can not believe that Haliburton or any other company did it out of war profits or anything like that. There were reasons as to why it was done like that, but I don't know what they were, and neither do you.
>>If we can find jobs for the 18-24 year old Muslim men, they will have a reason not to become suicide bombers.
The lead 9/11 hijackers were middle class and well educated and I would imagine had jobs before they went nuts with their religion. Unemployment isn't what drives a suicide bomber.
No, not by itself, but when a young man finds his life empty and without meaning or purpose, then it makes it easier for the radical Imams to recruit them with dreams of 72 virgins.
>> The radical Imams will have lost their grip and hopefully an Islamic Martin Luther will come about.
That would be a wonderful thing. I totally agree with you there. But as long as they are attacked by the great satan, that's only going to give those nutty imams more followers. Iran was on its way to liberalizing itself before we started threatening it. They just voted in a conservative president. Being attacked strenghtened our resolve, why don't you think it strengthens theirs when they're attacked and threatened?
>>Does that help, or are you even listening?
Yes, that helps, and yes, I'm listening loud and clear. I watch Fox news for as long as I can stomach it, and I'm halfway through Sean Hannity's book. I see very clearly this complete blueprint of reality that's dictated from the white house through corporate news and Bill O'Reilly and down to you, the good German. The whole rest of the world sees it and half of America sees it. But I can scream the truth right into your face and it'll blow right past you, because you want to believe the fairy tale that we are the Good fighting the Evil. And the violence you support will escalate, and more terrorists will join up, and they'll kill us and we'll kill them and you'll masturbate to Shock and Awe XIV on CNN and the economy will go down the toilet and America will be ruined BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO REFUSE TO SEE THE TRUTH!!!! AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!
I do not "masturbate to Shock and Awe." I do not take pleasure in the killing of anybody, or anything. But this does not stop me from doing what needs to be done. I get my news from the people working and fighting on the ground. You get your news from the reporters who are too afraid to leave the hotel.
I have a question, if Gore had won in 2000, and 9/11 happened, and Gore did the same exact things that Bush has done, would you be saying the same words now? I don't think so. I would, but you probably wouldn't. You'd be agreeing with Gore and his reasons.
While we aren't perfect, we are the closest damn thing we have to Good in this world. If you don't believe that, then get the hell out of this country and go where your views are more appreciated. And you can sure as hell believe that the other side is Evil, because they want to suppress everybody, you and me included, into a 13th century Theocracy. If suppressing me into something I don't want to do isn't Evil, I don't know what is.
Write back soon. I enjoy our conversations.