The Conservative Zone

Well, here's my rebuttal to comments left on my post about Hanoi Jane.

I AM INFURIATED. HOW DARE YOU CRITICIZE JANE FONDA YET AGAIN. In all your Conservative ramblings about Hanoi Jane NOT ONCE HAVE YOU BASTARDS COME OUT AND ADMITTED THE TRUTH - JANE FONDA WAS RIGHT. Viet Nam was a mistake - this iraq invasion is an even bigger mistake - SO YOU BASTARDS - SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTHS and take that draft-dodging traitor president with you.

What is the difference between Jane Fonda and George Bush?

Jane Fonda has been to Viet Nam.

You lowly pieces of garbage that criticize Jane Fonda while supporting that chicken hawk president Bush are fucking complete idiots.

SO SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!

Posted by: Mark Esposito at July 27, 2005 09:51 AM

Obviously, you aren't a big fan of history and you like to Monday Morning Quarterback. You also have a problem expressing yourself intelligently, if you can't do it without expletives, it shows you're already too wound up about it and can't think straight.

Just remember it was your beloved JFK who got us into Vietnam, and it was your wonderful buddy LBJ who escalated the war. Nixon was the one who got us out, remember?

If you read my archives, you will see my views on the Iraq war, as a way to create conditions that will not create more terrorists. If we can create a stable economy where young Arab men 18-25 have jobs and families, they won't become suicide bombers. That is the objective of the Iraq war.

As far as draft dodging, let's just compare. President Clinton left the US under a Rhodes Scholarship to study in England. President Bush stayed in the US, and became a fighter pilot for the Texas ANG. Several ANG units were called up to service in Vietnam. Besides, how can you question the courage of a man who straps on a supersonic fighter that had a tendency to explode and lights the fuse? The Century Series of interceptors had a bad safety record. When pushing the envelope, they had a tendency to blow up or come apart. Which is the last thing you want to have happen at Mach 2 and 30,000 feet.

Traitor, huh? What if she had sold anti-tank missiles to the ayotollahs who, at the time, were calling for the destruction of the Great Satan America? Let's see waht selling weapons to an enemy of the United States will get you. You get your own show on Fox and are called a good friend of Sean Hannity and a great American. It sure helps to have your felony convictions overturned because of a deal you struck with the prosecutors. Oliver North comitted acts of treason. He just didn't have his picture taken while he was at it.

Posted by: Charley Micinacina at July 27, 2005 10:14 AM

You, sir, are obviously without nuance, something that you claim the Right is lacking. At the time of Ollie's transgression, Iran and Iraq was engaged in a rather bloody and drawn out war. Sure, we didn't like Iran, but we liked Iraq even less. Oops, there's those shades of gray that us nasty old Conservatives don't see.

In the world of international politics, you generally don't get to pick your friends. You pick the enemy of my enemy, which may be a very nasty and despicable individual. If you can remember that far back, surely you will remember that we at one time backed the Taliban, simply because they were fighting the Soviets. Politics make strange bedfellows.

Your really pathetic. Vietnam as history shows was a mistake. Although her actions in Hanoi may not of been exactly right; her heart was in the right place. Since when does the greatest democratic country in the world oppose freedom and non aggression? Since when does a country, via its press, condemn a person who has the right to speak his or her mind. Your job is to report the news. Not take sides. What is becoming of the greatest nation on Earth? Freedom of speech is the most important right we have. Vietnam was wrong, Iraq was wrong, and the statistics show it. I don't much in the surveys since the sentences used are ambigious. But look at the facts: the military cannot meet its quota anymore. Thats been happening for months now. That speaks for itself. Many will not volunteer for a conflict that was perpetrated by Bush. Second; We have 100,000 civilian, mercenaries in Iraq. Not military, but civilians providing the services that our military would normally do. This was never intended to be a war. It was all economics as was Vietnam. There is no domino effect in foreign policy here. Rather, its a country that has become the most hated nation in the world. Think about that and smoke your pipe. We need to change, and change fast.

Posted by: JR at July 27, 2005 10:45 AM

Well, you're kinda pathetic too, since you can't use the Kings English properly. You've also got a few things wrong. First of all, I am not a reporter. I am a man with a view who likes publicizing it. I put your feedback here and am responding to it simply because it amuses me, not because of some journalistic ethos.

Also, we are not the hated country you delude yourself into believing. We are the only country in the world where people from Afghanistan to Zimbabwe are fighting to get into. People from Mexico risk their lives across miles of open desert to get here. People from China lock themselves in cargo containers for two months with nothing more than a bucket for a toilet and you think these people hate us? I really doubt it. Sure there are people who hate us, but they are a small and vocal minority, amplified by the Liberal bias of the MSM.

The Army hasn't been meeting it's quota for several months now because Congress authorized an increase of the Army by 30,000. And Hillary was backing another 80,000 increase on top of the 30,000 already authorized. Do you think 30,000 young people will suddenly appear in one day? I think not. Recruitment is up, retention is up. It will take time to fill that extra Division of troops.

YOU IGNORANT ASSHOLE. THE TRAITER IS DICK CHENEY, WHO AS CEO OF HALIBURTON DID BUSINESS WITH SYRIA, IRAN, LIBYA, NORTH KOREA, AND IRAQ. I WOULD LIKE TO PUT MY SHOE UP YOUR ASS, BUT WOULD UNDOUBTEDLY DENT YOUR PEA SIZED BRAIN.

Posted by: RICK COLE at July 27, 2005 04:32 PM

At least I don't leave the Caps Lock key on. And a puerile attempt at violence. I thought you people were pacifists?

Ah, yes, the dreaded "H" word, Haliburton. The evilest of the evil oil businesses who likes to make money. Sorry, but trying to make money doesn't make you evil. If you can prove that anything Haliburton did was against the law, then you've got something to take to the press. I'm sure they will trumpet it to the four corners of the world.

ummm...what if jane fonda had exposed a CIA officer in an attempt to smear somebody who disagreed with her positions? Jane Fonda is exercising her right to free speech. isn't that what you conservative morons claim to be fighting for?

i don't even understand how you can see this administration as conservative??? there is nothing conservative about them. put down your remote control, turn off the fox bullshit and try thinking for yourself...just once...for a couple of minutes. it'll hurt at first, but you'll be ok.

Posted by: Jeff Kanzler at July 27, 2005 08:56 PM

There is a difference between exercising free speech and committing treason. Just like you can't shout "FIRE!" anywhere unless there really is a fire.

Second, I don't watch Fox. I can't afford cable. While I do read Foxnews.com, it is one of many news sources I depend upon, just look to the right.

Also, this administration is Conservative. They stand for individual rights, lower taxes, freedom in its many forms and so on. While I don't agree with everything that this administration does, it is by far better than the Clintons.

And I do think, sir. I think about more things than you'll ever know.

What's more, Little Georgie is a draft evader, deserter, war criminal and coward. his Daddy was a war criminal, traitor and coward and even his grandfather has been accused of collaboration (treason?) His brothers are scum too. That's just for background.

I doubt Fonda lengthened the war, but some people say Nixon caused an additional 20,000 dead GI's by scuttling the peace talks when he was running for President.

When McNamara confessed that they knew the war couldn't be won, the Vets all raged at him, "if you knew it couldn't won, why didn't you get us out?" I said, bullshit, if he had advocated "cutting and running", those assholes would have assassinated him. Ditto Iraq.

PS how do I start a new paragraph?

Posted by: Monte Haun at July 27, 2005 11:34 PM

And you have documentation for all of this? Why not turn it over to the MSM?

The Vietnam War was not winnable from the start. In a lot of respects it was like Korea, except in Korea the general after Macarthur realized that the only way to "win" would be by a settled political solution. Through a war of attrition, we forced the NK to the bargaining table and negotiated a cease fire. It was our fear of another repeat of Korea (China getting involved) in Vietnam that caused our failure. We never went North of the DMZ. And Napoleon once said, "The inevitable end of all defensive warfare is defeat."

PS You start a new paragraph by hitting your Enter key twice in quick succession.

And last but not least:

The slope-skulls worship the military. Their claims that she is a traitor are not based on any understanding of the law, but rather on a purely emotional reaction. If they really cared, Ollie North would be in prison right now where he belongs.

Fuck the Troops: http://simonandthelefties.blogharbor.com/

Posted by: Toby at July 28, 2005 03:06 AM

I don't think I can say anything, you've stated your position pretty clearly, and anything I could possibly say would not improve upon it.

Thanks all for reading this long post. I hoped you enjoyed reading it as much as I did writing it.