The Conservative Zone

I AM INFURIATED. HOW DARE YOU CRITICIZE JANE FONDA YET AGAIN. In all your Conservative ramblings about Hanoi Jane NOT ONCE HAVE YOU BASTARDS COME OUT AND ADMITTED THE TRUTH - JANE FONDA WAS RIGHT. Viet Nam was a mistake - this iraq invasion is an even bigger mistake - SO YOU BASTARDS - SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTHS and take that draft-dodging traitor president with you.

What is the difference between Jane Fonda and George Bush?

Jane Fonda has been to Viet Nam.

You lowly pieces of garbage that criticize Jane Fonda while supporting that chicken hawk president Bush are fucking complete idiots.

SO SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!

Traitor, huh? What if she had sold anti-tank missiles to the ayotollahs who, at the time, were calling for the destruction of the Great Satan America? Let's see waht selling weapons to an enemy of the United States will get you. You get your own show on Fox and are called a good friend of Sean Hannity and a great American. It sure helps to have your felony convictions overturned because of a deal you struck with the prosecutors.
Oliver North comitted acts of treason. He just didn't have his picture taken while he was at it.

Your really pathetic. Vietnam as history shows was a mistake. Although her actions in Hanoi may not of been exactly right; her heart was in the right place. Since when does the greatest democratic country in the world oppose freedom and non aggression? Since when does a country, via its press, condemn a person who has the right to speak his or her mind. Your job is to report the news. Not take sides. What is becoming of the greatest nation on Earth? Freedom of speech is the most important right we have. Vietnam was wrong, Iraq was wrong, and the statistics show it. I don't much in the surveys since the sentences used are ambigious. But look at the facts: the military cannot meet its quota anymore. Thats been happening for months now. That speaks for itself. Many will not volunteer for a conflict that was perpetrated by Bush. Second; We have 100,000 civilian, mercenaries in Iraq. Not military, but civilians providing the services that our military would normally do. This was never intended to be a war. It was all economics as was Vietnam. There is no domino effect in foreign policy here. Rather, its a country that has become the most hated nation in the world. Think about that and smoke your pipe. We need to change, and change fast.

Man, you must have missed the talking points. Now, "Iraq wants us to leave" and we're going to begin a drawdown of troops there by spring 2006. We're making progress. We're going home.

Jane's just trumpeting existing administration policy. As of.. oh... 6:30 this morning.

shamanic, you'd believe anything the press tells you. You need to take a deep breath, look at facts, and maybe, must maybe you will see the light. Your brainwashing by the press is so dogmatic, you honestly don't know any better. We are subcontracting 101,000 people in Iraq. Those folks are getting paid alot more money than our troops. Whose really making the money over there in Iraq?

YOU IGNORANT ASSHOLE. THE TRAITER IS DICK CHENEY, WHO AS CEO OF HALIBURTON DID BUSINESS WITH SYRIA, IRAN, LIBYA, NORTH KOREA, AND IRAQ. I WOULD LIKE TO PUT MY SHOE UP YOUR ASS, BUT WOULD UNDOUBTEDLY DENT YOUR PEA SIZED BRAIN.

ummm...what if jane fonda had exposed a CIA officer in an attempt to smear somebody who disagreed with her positions? Jane Fonda is exercising her right to free speech. isn't that what you conservative morons claim to be fighting for?

i don't even understand how you can see this administration as conservative??? there is nothing conservative about them. put down your remote control, turn off the fox bullshit and try thinking for yourself...just once...for a couple of minutes. it'll hurt at first, but you'll be ok.

Wow. I don't know who linked to me, but I have -never- gotten so many comments about one post before! Thank you all! Even if you don't agree with me, I hope at least some of you stick around.

Jane Fonda does have the right to go and protest the war. That's part of the right of free speech she has.

However, she sat on an NVA AA mount, handing out Red Cross packages meant for POW's to the NVA. She gave aid and comfort to the enemy in a time of war, which makes her a traitor. It doesn't matter if any of us think the Vietnam war was a "good" war or not, we were there. Personally, I think the whole thing was a clusterf*** because political objectives (from a Democrat administration) and decisions trumped military decisions.

As far as the other talking points you guys have, it is way too many to take on in one little feedback post. Look for your comments as part of posts over the next couple of days.

Congrats on making the Washington Post. Too bad you have to put up with the moonbats in the comments section but I think it's worth it. (Why is it so many moonbats can't figure out how to use a caps shift key?)

What's more, Little Georgie is a draft evader, deserter, war criminal and coward. his Daddy was a war criminal, traitor and coward and even his grandfather has been accused of collaboration (treason?) His brothers are scum too. That's just for background.

I doubt Fonda lengthened the war, but some people say Nixon caused an additional 20,000 dead GI's by scuttling the peace talks when he was running for President.

When McNamara confessed that they knew the war couldn't be won, the Vets all raged at him, "if you knew it couldn't won, why didn't you get us out?" I said, bullshit, if he had advocated "cutting and running", those assholes would have assassinated him. Ditto Iraq.

PS how do I start a new paragraph?

The slope-skulls worship the military. Their claims that she is a traitor are not based on any understanding of the law, but rather on a purely emotional reaction. If they really cared, Ollie North would be in prison right now where he belongs.

Fuck the Troops: http://simonandthelefties.blogharbor.com/

As a Vietnam widow, I cannot begin to tell you the pain and anguish Jane Fonda's antics have caused me. Her behavior at the time of Vietnam was despicable AND treasonous. So to any moonbats trying to claim otherwise - I was alive and having my heart broken at the time this contemptible wretch was laughing and sitting on North Vietnamese weapons! Don't even begin to try to rewrite history!

What's even more interesting is that there is NO ORGANIZATION claiming to be behind her so-called vegetable oil tour (banana oil seems more appropriate). She also mentioned that Governor Richardson was going to be participating - an assertion of hers that Governor Richardson (no dummy he) immediately called FALSE.

What I suspect is really in play here is that ole Jane misses all the attention she got during those years that she was betraying her country and now her kids are grown, she has no husband and she needs to say "look at me" as offensively as she possibly can!

The hell with her. She doesn't deserve our interest or our anguish. She does, however, until her dying day and my own, have my indelible contempt!

Just fyi - the President of the United States is not a draft dodger - he served and was honorably discharged.

And let's talk about all the victories in wars under DEMOCRATIC presidents, shall we? Let's see - WWII? Seems to me that was the LAST ONE! Take a Dem to battle and watch him turn all FRENCH on you!

The whole conservative logic on this is that since we're already in the war, we have to be on "our side" or we're traitors and we hate America. To them, it's a virtue to support the war that one's country is engaged in. By that logic, were the people inside Nazi germany who were against the Nazis also traitors for being against their invasion of Poland? Would you put them in the same category as Jane Fonda? If a human being sees an immoral war being fought in their own country, what is their loyalty to: their country or their heart and their God?

What if we invaded Canada and started putting all Canadians in concentration camps? If Jane Fonda spoke out against that, would you think that was wrong of her? How badly would your country have to act before you stood up and said "not in my name?" Or are you capable of seeing any wrongdoing of your own country? The good Germans during WW2 weren't. They were loyal and faithful and unquestioning and patriotic, just like you are.

Jane Fonda's body count: 0
George Bush's body count: 100,000+

Which deserves a special place in hell?

We judge bad governments by the way they treat their dissidents. Why can't you hold your own country up to that test?

Bonnie

Since you won't read my archives, let me spell out why we're in Iraq. Then you decide if it's worth it or not.

The main reason to invade Iraq was not for oil, not for WMD, not even for stopping the thousands of executions a year by the Ba'athists. It was to get rid of terrorists.

And there is two ways we are doing that. First, we are killing terrorists wholesale. And as long as they focus on Iraq, they can't mount operations in America. Where would you rather have the next suicide bomber? Baghdad or Boston?

The second is the whole reason we are there. We are building a stable democracy in Iraq, in the middle of tribal sheikdoms and Islamic theocracys. If we can complete this task, the other nations around Iraq will ask, "Why can't we have that?" That, being freedom and a healthy, stable economy.

If we can find jobs for the 18-24 year old Muslim men, they will have a reason not to become suicide bombers. The radical Imams will have lost their grip and hopefully an Islamic Martin Luther will come about.

Does that help, or are you even listening?

>>The main reason to invade Iraq was not for oil, not for WMD, not even for stopping the thousands of executions a year by the Ba'athists. It was to get rid of terrorists.>And there is two ways we are doing that. First, we are killing terrorists wholesale. >And as long as they focus on Iraq, they can't mount operations in America. Where would you rather have the next suicide bomber? Baghdad or Boston?>We are building a stable democracy in Iraq, >in the middle of tribal sheikdoms and Islamic theocracys. If we can complete this task, the other nations around Iraq will ask, "Why can't we have that?" >That, being freedom and a healthy, stable economy.>If we can find jobs for the 18-24 year old Muslim men, they will have a reason not to become suicide bombers.

The lead 9/11 hijackers were middle class and well educated and I would imagine had jobs before they went nuts with their religion. Unemployment isn't what drives a suicide bomber.

>> The radical Imams will have lost their grip and hopefully an Islamic Martin Luther will come about.

That would be a wonderful thing. I totally agree with you there. But as long as they are attacked by the great satan, that's only going to give those nutty imams more followers. Iran was on its way to liberalizing itself before we started threatening it. They just voted in a conservative president. Being attacked strenghtened our resolve, why don't you think it strengthens theirs when they're attacked and threatened?
>>Does that help, or are you even listening?<<

Yes, that helps, and yes, I'm listening loud and clear. I watch Fox news for as long as I can stomach it, and I'm halfway through Sean Hannity's book. I see very clearly this complete blueprint of reality that's dictated from the white house through corporate news and Bill O'Reilly and down to you, the good German. The whole rest of the world sees it and half of America sees it. But I can scream the truth right into your face and it'll blow right past you, because you want to believe the fairy tale that we are the Good fighting the Evil. And the violence you support will escalate, and more terrorists will join up, and they'll kill us and we'll kill them and you'll masturbate to Shock and Awe XIV on CNN and the economy will go down the toilet and America will be ruined BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO REFUSE TO SEE THE TRUTH!!!! AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you.

>>The main reason to invade Iraq was not for oil, not for WMD, not even for stopping the thousands of executions a year by the Ba'athists. It was to get rid of terrorists.

B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T. I believe that you believe that, but I also believe that's the lie BushCo has told the true believers like you because they need you to think they're doing something good to cover up the fact they're doing something horrific. No terrorists were in Iraq before we invaded it. Why didn't we invade Saudi Arabia, where almost all the 9/11 hiackers came from?

>>And there is two ways we are doing that. First, we are killing terrorists wholesale.

I find your bloodlust disgusting. We are killing human beings wholesale. That is why so many of us are against this war. We've killed 100,000 human beings in Iraq. We make such a BFD about 9/11, but 9/11 was peanuts compared to the human life we've wasted in Iraq and Afghanistan. And most of the people we're fighting are not terrorists, they're Iraqis fighting against a foreign occupier. Yes, a lot of them are also monsters who kill their own people with car bombs. But they never would be fighting us if we didn't go there and kill 100,000 of them and sell off their entire economy and leave them jobless with no electricity and clean water. If China invaded us and you grabbed a gun and fought back, would that make you a terrorist?

>>And as long as they focus on Iraq, they can't mount operations in America. Where would you rather have the next suicide bomber? Baghdad or Boston?>We are building a stable democracy in Iraq,

We are? Looks to me like we've created one of the worst hells on earth. How did they do it in Germany and Japan after WW2? I have no idea, but whatever they did right then, they're certainly doing it all wrong now.

>>in the middle of tribal sheikdoms and Islamic theocracys. If we can complete this task, the other nations around Iraq will ask, "Why can't we have that?"

That's a lovely dream, but how realistic is that? It seems like a longshot to me considering most arab muslims hate the United States and all it stands for. Why not flip that around... say Al Q'aida invades mexico and takes it over and tries to turn it into a Muslim theocracy in the hopes that the U.S. and Canada will say, "Why can't we have that?" and become Muslim theocracies too. Seems about as likely to happen. A pipe dream seems like a pretty flimsy reason to murder 100,000 human beings and destroy millions of lives.

>>That, being freedom and a healthy, stable economy.

Have you seen the executive orders by Paul Bremer in the early days of the occupation, selling off their entire economy to foreign corporations and allowing them to then take all their profits out of Iraq? Why didn't we hire Iraqis to rebuild their own country instead of paying westerners $10,000 a week to do it? Because all the war profiteers wouldn't make as much money. Do you see the word Halliburton and think "good"??

>>If we can find jobs for the 18-24 year old Muslim men, they will have a reason not to become suicide bombers.

The lead 9/11 hijackers were middle class and well educated and I would imagine had jobs before they went nuts with their religion. Unemployment isn't what drives a suicide bomber.

>> The radical Imams will have lost their grip and hopefully an Islamic Martin Luther will come about.

That would be a wonderful thing. I totally agree with you there. But as long as they are attacked by the great satan, that's only going to give those nutty imams more followers. Iran was on its way to liberalizing itself before we started threatening it. They just voted in a conservative president. Being attacked strenghtened our resolve, why don't you think it strengthens theirs when they're attacked and threatened?

>>Does that help, or are you even listening?

Yes, that helps, and yes, I'm listening loud and clear. I watch Fox news for as long as I can stomach it, and I'm halfway through Sean Hannity's book. I see very clearly this complete blueprint of reality that's dictated from the white house through corporate news and Bill O'Reilly and down to you, the good German. The whole rest of the world sees it and half of America sees it. But I can scream the truth right into your face and it'll blow right past you, because you want to believe the fairy tale that we are the Good fighting the Evil. And the violence you support will escalate, and more terrorists will join up, and they'll kill us and we'll kill them and you'll masturbate to Shock and Awe XIV on CNN and the economy will go down the toilet and America will be ruined BECAUSE OF PEOPLE LIKE YOU WHO REFUSE TO SEE THE TRUTH!!!! AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you.